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A True Tale of Canadian Health Care: Why some patients need to go to the U.S. for surgery



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Many advocates of health-care reform are admirers of Canada's state-run, no-opt-out, single-payer system. Indeed, in 2003, President Barack Obama voiced enthusiasm for such a health-care program.
Proponents of Canadian-style health care should meet Cheryl Baxter, a Canadian citizen who waited years for hip-replacement surgery, only to be told that her operation would not happen any time soon. Instead of waiting, Baxter did what an increasing number of Canadians are doing: She flew to a clinic in the United States, paid out of pocket, and had a life-altering surgery in a matter of weeks rather than years.
Baxter's experience doesn't just throw damning light on Canadian health care. The sort of clinic she went to in Oklahoma suggests a different way of delivering health care in the United States, too: A simple fee-for-service model in which providers openly advertise their prices, service, and reputation. Rather than a frustrating, complicated mess of intermediaries such as employers and insurance companies, U.S. health-care reformers should think about bringing medicine into line with the same dynamics that help deliver great service at great prices throughout most other parts of the economy.
While Canadian health care is certainly cheaper than its U.S. counterpart (health care spending in Canada is about 10 percent of GDP versus 16 percent in the United States), it is not necessarily better or more equitable. As a recent National Bureau of Economic Research comparison concluded, "Americans are more likely to report that they are fully satisfied with the health services they have received and to rank the quality of care as excellent." Not only do Americans have far greater access to basic diagnostic tools ranging from mammograms to CT scans, the researchers found "the health-income gradient is actually more prominent in Canada than in the U.S." That is, wealthy Canadians receive far better care compared to low-income Canadians than rich Americans versus poor Americans.
"A True Tale of Canadian Health Care" was produced by Dan Hayes and Peter Suderman. Interviews were filmed by Alex Manning and the segment is hosted and scripted by Nick Gillespie. Approximately 5.11 minutes.
Reason.tv would like to thank the Independence Institute for arranging and underwriting travel to Canada for Suderman and Manning.
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@MadHabber93 I have ... ( 1 month ago by Aprilmax010)
@MadHabber93 I have heard they come to the US due to the waiting time in Canada. Also the quality of care is better here.
@Aprilmax010 First ... ( 1 month ago by MadHabber93)
@Aprilmax010 First off, like I said, some Canadians come to the U.S. In addition, a 2007 report revealed that 750,000 Americans go out of country for care, including Canada as it is less expensive. As far as quality of care, studies show that care is equivalent in Canada, and at times, better.
@MadHabber93 The ... ( 1 month ago by Aprilmax010)
@MadHabber93 The question here is if treatment in Canada is equivalent to or better than America when WHY are people coming to America for treatment?
Canadian care may or may not be as good, I don't know. The truth is there is a waiting list for some treatments and surgeries in Canada. If not the Canadians would not be coming here to America to be taken care of, unless you want to tell me the care is better. Just admit the truth.
@Aprilmax010 Look, ... ( 1 month ago by MadHabber93)
@Aprilmax010 Look, do some research. In 1993 alone, 60,000 Americans fraudulantly used the Ontario healthcare system as they couldn't afford to get treatment in the U.S. Waiting lists do happen here, for elective, non-emergency surgeries. But are mostly short and managed well. There are NO wait times for emergency sugeries. That's the truth. Millions of Americans either go without care due to lack of coverage or can't afford it. Or go bankrupt getting it. Wait time...forever.
@MadHabber93 So you ... ( 1 month ago by Aprilmax010)
@MadHabber93 So you do admit that stories like Cheryl's above do occur. The handling for this case does not sound like it was managed well for her. Once America goes bankrupt health care rationing will occur. Have you taken a look at Health Czar Dr Emmanuel's Complete Live Chart? Very young and older people will be rationed. England is no longer doing surgeries for cateracts and hernias. I would rather keep the system we have than be rationed by the government.
@Aprilmax010 ... ( 1 month ago by MadHabber93)
@Aprilmax010 Cheryl's case is extremely rare. On average, in Ontario for example, the median wait time is less than 60 days for hip surgery. Cheryl lives in a small city, in southern Alberta. She never bothered trying surgeons in say larger centers like Calgary and Edmonton, where she could have been referred to and waited far less. Again, hip surgery is elective. If she needed a heart by-pass, there are no wait times for urgent cases. Your system rations far more through cost than ours.
@MadHabber93 ... ( 1 month ago by Aprilmax010)
@MadHabber93 Rationing here is only been limited to what you can afford or what your insurance company will approve. Once we go to government insurance it will be up to them to approve or disapprove. I'm not sure that you have heard but our government is broke. I have insurance now through may employer. Once I am dumped on the government insurance, I no longer have any choices. Many here do not want socialized health care. Let the poor get gov health care and leave the rest of us alone.
@MadHabber93 And ... ( 1 month ago by cybervore)
@MadHabber93 And you just made the case against government run health care! Small towns in remote places should have access to the same healthcare as anywhere else (the way the US used to be, before obozo-care!) Thank you Socialized Europe and Canada for giving our "illustrious leader" grounds to try his FAILED SOCIALIST AGENDA!
@cybervore And ... ( 1 month ago by MadHabber93)
@cybervore And guess what, that wouldn't change in Canada with your insurance run system. We are country of 30 million spread across a country larger than yours. Major hospitals are not going to set up shop in a remote town of 10,000 people, regardless of system. There is acces, you have to travel to it. Just like remote areas of the U.S. I've never seen nice big hospitals in the Arizona desert. And the fact you refer to us as socialized just scraps your argument. Read up on our economics.
@Aprilmax010 Well, ... ( 1 month ago by MadHabber93)
@Aprilmax010 Well, that might be your gov't, but not how our system works. Any decision on my healthcare is made between me and my doctor. Period. I have plenty of choices. I can go to any hospital, see ANY doctor I want, across the country if need be. And I'm not saying take our system, but don't believe all the 'stories' as fact for everyone here. Its called cherry picking.
THIS Americans THIS ... ( 3 weeks ago by DammitDrag)
THIS Americans THIS, don't believe the DemocRATs.
@MadHabber93 Our ... ( 3 weeks ago by OptimusElite)
@MadHabber93 Our insurance system isn't that good BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT INTEFERS WITH EVERYTHING
@MadHabber93 1. Put ... ( 3 weeks ago by OptimusElite)
@MadHabber93 1. Put links or at least name the studies 2. The opposite happened for this lady.
@OptimusElite Which ... ( 3 weeks ago by MadHabber93)
@OptimusElite Which one do you want to know, I'll PM any link you want. For this woman, rare but can happen. However, there is a lot of context behind story not talked about. One, she lives in Red Deer Alberta, a smaller, remote city in Southern Alberta. Two, she never called other surgeons for wait times. Three, the median wait time for hip surgery in 2009 in Alberta was 103 days. Four, its 68 days in Ontario, she could have been referred there as well. Five, how many in U.S. never get it?
Array ( 3 weeks ago by TorontoCanuck1978)
@OptimusElite,
To scream that the government intereferes with everything in a negative light is retarded. How about an example? Big Oil. The governemnt does not interfere with the oil companies because they are ALL paid off by them so you get NO regulation. Remember you dont like regulation. But them BP drills in the gulf and does not drill a relief well. My government regulates that you must to that to be safe. Now my question is: How is that preventable oil spill going?
@TorontoCanuck1978 ... ( 3 weeks ago by OptimusElite)
@TorontoCanuck1978 Actually, there WAS regulation. The government only requires for BP to spend $75 million dollars in damage. If this was unrestricted, they would be much more careful. He is an article if you do not understand. BTW, nice way to look down upon retarded people, you know they can't help that, right?
@OptimusElite Here ... ( 3 weeks ago by OptimusElite)
@OptimusElite Here is the article: open.salon.com/blog/c4ss/2010/06/02/in_a_truly_free_market_bp_would_be_toast
Array ( 3 weeks ago by TorontoCanuck1978)
@OptimusElite,
You completely miss the point dipshit. The penalty cap set at $75 million should have already indead been set higher. The point is due to regulation in Canada you cannot drill an oil well unless you have a relief well already in place. This regulation is not in place in the US. Why is that?? You should re-examine how this came about....I bet while people bitch about Obama you might just learn all of this was put in place by the jack ass oil lord with the two previous terms.
Array ( 3 weeks ago by TorontoCanuck1978)
@OptimusElite,
PS - Don't even bother refering to the $75 million dollar cap as a regulation. These oil companies make BILLIONS.
In the first Q alone BP made 5.6B. Which is then 22.4B/year. Do you honestly think they gave a shit about a measly $75M? Fuck, they make that in less than two days. Regulations are meant to keep companies respecting the law and what society will not tolerate (ie pollution) by serious economic penalties. Your govt is owned by big oil so no serious penalty is paid.
@TorontoCanuck1978 ... ( 3 weeks ago by OptimusElite)
@TorontoCanuck1978 If you didn't regulate it, they would be forced to pay the full damages, and would most likely be out of business. The only reason they are paying now is to keep a good reputation. Your argument goes against your points!
This such piece of ... ( 2 weeks ago by HaT223)
This such piece of propaganda. Canadian healthcare is not perfect mishaps do happen buts it is far superior than US system. In america 45000 people die yearly just due to lack of healthcare.
Canadians live much longer than americans.
Canadians pay less for healthcare than americans(that would also include extra taxes).
@HaT223 you're ... ( 1 week ago by Z14LDO)
@HaT223 you're living in lala land.
@Z14LDO Clearly ... ( 1 week ago by HaT223)
@Z14LDO Clearly texans know much more about canadian healthcare than canadians just makes sense.
What they won't ... ( 9 hours ago by RTyp06)
What they won't tell you is that the Canadian government picked up the tab. If she was a U.S. citizen the 18k price tag would have been substantially more if you factored in the insurance premiums she (or her employer) would have paid before hand. Of course the medical facility would have turned her away if she was uninsured.



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